Hydrogen HHO fuel cell – Larger Tube
I have gone to my larger tube, the reason being the need for more headroom between the water level and the top of the cell. The smaller tube works extremely well but is so short that the water level is too close to the vacuum on the outlet tube, causing the engine to happily suck out water. I tried a few things to mitigate this but ultimately decided the easiest solution was to just go to a larger tube. As you can see in the video, the larger tube also works extremely well and has good pressure the moment you power it on. The core is exactly the same and is configured the same: 7 plates (16 gauge stainless steel, series 400), spaced 1/16 inch apart and arranged in what works best for me:
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I was asked recently why I use series 400 stainless. There are two reasons. First, I get it very cheaply as my brother-in-law's company actually throws this stainless out as scrap! Second, these plates are very sturdy and can take very large amounts of current for a very long period of time without being damaged.
NOTE: I just received 24 new SS plates which are much larger (much more surface area) and will be more appropriate now that I'm using my larger tube. They are the same 16 gauge 400 series SS but are 3" by 10" tall. I have not yet but will be installing them in "bazooka joe" in the near future.
Note that strictly speaking (to have our terminology correct), this is a common-ducted 7 plate/6 cell series HHO generator, but we refer to it as an HHO fuel cell for short. "Common ducted" just means that the hydrogen and oxygen (also known as hydroxy or oxyhydrogen) gases are released from the cell together. We are not expelling hydrogen gas and oxygen gas separately (independent ducting), so what goes to the engine is an explosive gas with a companion oxidizer. If you have seen videos showing hydrogen being ignited by itself, then hydroxy (hydrogen/oxygen gas or "Brown's Gas") ignited, you'll see very clearly that the hydrogen with oxygen detonates much more forcefully than just hydrogen, which still explodes but has a much slower burn.
The larger tube is shoehorned into the Jeep on the opposite side of the engine, just above the oil filter and behind the air conditioning compressor. Warmed up, this cell pulls approximately 10 amps. I will follow up with some video of the tube installed in the Jeep when you can actually see it. I installed the tube earlier this evening but after darkness had well set in.
See updated photos of the cell and COSM/oscillator at:
http://www.freewebs.com/jhines2/apps/photos/
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Comments on Hydrogen HHO fuel cell – Larger Tube
madscientist67 @ 12:45 pm
I apologize, but my background as an educator demands that I explain well enough that the material isn't left in any way ambiguous. Some people appreciate that fact, some decry it. That's just my style.
MikPil @ 12:45 pm
OMG! Talk talk talk 3:01 do you like to hear yourself talking? Could of spent that time running it and showing volume output.
Maybe next time less talk more action!
googleproads @ 12:45 pm
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Vistal1 @ 12:45 pm
Ya i seen a lot of cars move the battery under the back seat or trunk totally possible. Nice improvement in millage glad to hear it.
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
i get mid 40's in stop and go and top out over 50mpg on the highway. i havea 2008 with FI and a ton of computers in the car (emissions & engine control, ABS, ESP and a few other things) nothing like this would fit in my engine compartment. (i have a 2008 smart, look at their engine compartment) it would be interesting to try (the battery is in the passenger footwell along with an electric air pump and tire repair goop, smarts don't have spares, jacks or tire irons)
Vistal1 @ 12:45 pm
so much more you can do with a carb then you can with fuel injection. I dont like to piss anyone off just state facts or what i know . I pray 1 day in the near future these boosters will help EVERYONE.Thats why i will post my NEW noone ever tryed Cell , its still a hho booster but and should put out 1.5-.17 lpm off a 2 inch pvc tube . Small compact and should fit in every engine compartment.
madscientist67 @ 12:45 pm
Very very well put Vistal. It's the same reason why Chrysler years ago decided not to market their super-lean carb system years ago. It used water-injection to enable the engine to run really lean, but they were concerned customers might not remember to keep the water reservoir filled and they'd be calling in about engine damage as a result, so they erred on the side of caution and it went nowhere. This was what they worked on before the so-called "lean-burn" carbs from the 80's.
Vistal1 @ 12:45 pm
There are alot of people who claim they made a HHO cell and had bad luck or they build them wrong with little output and people believe the 1st thing they see.so it runes it for normal working cells. In my area the county is using some high end ones on test vehicles with awesome results . I cant stress it anymore then i have about them being not IDIOT proof thats 1 main reason not every car has 1 .
Vistal1 @ 12:45 pm
It doesnt take much to get more MPG out of your car. Some Highend spark plugs Good synthetic oil a cold air intake , tires inflated to max pressure and a HHO booster .I produce 1.7lpm of gas which in return give me 10-13 MPG with very little work . You also must realize that it does take a effort to make the HHO cell work right and maintain it so it wont turn into a BOMB.
Vistal1 @ 12:45 pm
HHO generator in my van on a 3.3l v6 makes 9-12 MPG more . I went from 22 to 31 mpg in town and 33 highway and als o depends on conditions on the road. YA wanna know the 1 big reason these are not being sold in the mass market?? they are dangerious if not properly cared for so they are not IDIOT proof. the do work and mine run perfectly at 12v 27 amps hot at 130f . Read and duplicate a smack booster and you see what 1.7lpm looks like .
madscientist67 @ 12:45 pm
Point is, to say that the alternator alone powers everything and that the battery only is used to start the engine is an oversimplification. They both work together, constantly, to ensure there is always enough power available to satisfy changing loads on the electrical system. If your electrical system was solely powered by the alternator, your lights would dim, wipers slow down, blower motor slow down everytime you came to a stop or idled the engine due to reduced output.
madscientist67 @ 12:45 pm
A good example of this is nighttime driving. You come to a stop at a traffic light or stop sign. Your headlights are on and they remain on and don't go dim on you while the engine is idling. Let's further extend the example: it's raining and your wipers are running, as is your defroster/blower motor and radio. You have high demand going on. Engine idling, alternator cannot fully satisfy the load but lights don't dim or go out because the battery is helping satisfy the load.
madscientist67 @ 12:45 pm
If you have noticed a "whistling" sound when you have a cell or other large-demand electrical components running, you are hearing the audible frequency from the alternator's diode bridge having to charge the battery because it is either discharged or in process of discharging to help satisfy the demand that the alternator alone isn't able to satisfy. The alternator alone does not power all electrical components on the vehicle at all times.
madscientist67 @ 12:45 pm
JTBY and Mrbadx19, you are both partly correct. Mrbadx19 states that the battery exists solely for the purpose of starting the vehicle. That is only partly correct. The battery starts the engine and then the alternator's rectified output powers the vehicle's electrical components, BUT if the demand of the electrical components (cell included) exceeds the alternator's capacity, the extra demand is satisfied by being pulled from the BATTERY. So you run from both alternator and battery.
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
there were people one or two centuries ago that would go about in their wagons to little towns and sell "miracle products" (snake oil) HHO is the 21st century "snake oil" with oil over $140 a barrel, gas over $4 a gallon, if this crap worked, don't you think detroit, japan, korea and china would be using it? it's on the internet, detroit has engineering geniuses, they could put this on a car in a few hours, if it worked! but it doesn't! it's a scam, plain and simple!
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
wow, i'm not the idiot who installed this unit in his audi! if any of this technology had relevance, we'd be using it. it's just 2008 "snake oil". this would be on the TV, Radio, everywhere (internet LOL) every manufacturer would put this $50 device in their vehicle to "DOUBLE" their EPA MPG ratings! unfortunately, it's a farce, doesn't work, or we'd be using it! it's not a "secret", it's here, it doesn't work! period, paragraph, end of sentence!
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
dude! read the moron said it's drawing off the battery! he has no clue as to how a car works! the battery exists to start the car, and then if the alternator fails, the battery will power the car until it's dead!
dude, the HHO generator makes a few bubbles, a 5.7 liter Jeep V-8 sucks 12,000 liters of atmosphere per minute, which contain over 2500 liters of Oxygen! a few extra bubbles of HHO is nothing! dude!
Vistal1 @ 12:45 pm
WOW i think your the 1st person i ever seen who uses baking soda who knows it produces a toxic gas. Also it will leave deposits in the engine and clog up your plates.
Vistal1 @ 12:45 pm
DUDE ya have no clue the extra strain from the car charging the battery a little more is nothing compared to the gain you get form the HHO gen. The Alt of a car is built to take a little extra amps with out losing much. the extra 20 amps is maybe a .1 mpg loss.Get real dude.
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
replace DOTs with periods. some poor idiot messed his car up with this!
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
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JBTYpr @ 12:45 pm
Of course were idiots and we like to blab senselessly. its not worth wasting time explaining simple matters to people who don't appreciate the lived experiences of those who have actually tried these things so its ok MRBADX you can keep drowning in your ignorance and pessimism.
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
it would be cheaper to mod out the computer to lean out the mixture than add this "rube goldberg" device to the car. as i said, the "enrichment" of maybe 0.016% is nothing. global warming idiots claim that the 0.039% of CO2 in our atmosphere is causing global warming, when there is 21% O2 in our atmosphere… anyways JBTY, you're an idiot, 0.016% HHO would do nothing to a sensor on a car computer, it's not that sensitive!
mrbadx19 @ 12:45 pm
no, it's drawing 10 amps off the alternator, turning your radio draws from the alternator, your headlights draw off the alternator. when your alternator fails, then everything runs off the battery. then when your battery is dead, your car is DEAD. get a scan guage and watch your economy drop every time you turn something on!
obviously you haven't been driving that long, or have little knowledge of how a car works.
JBTYpr @ 12:45 pm
Get it straight the power being used to run you HHO generator is from the battery which in turn in turn is being charged by the alternator which is being run by your cars motor the using the same energy it uses to turn your wheels! The alternator is made so it can charge your battery and your battery is made to handle all electrical demands of the car. Both working together produce surplus energy which can be used for your car stereo and any other needs like an HHO cell.